NITROUS OXIDE ( nos / n2o ) advice forum

Is the Revo in full production?
How much for the Revo?
Thanks

Hi Noselcamino and welcome to my forum.

Yes the REVO is in 'limited' (not yet full) production but after just a few days of the following page being added to our website, we were overrun with orders and so I decided to delay adding the REVO systems to our on line shop, until we've managed to supply all the orders we already have;

http://www.noswizard.com/revo-nitrous.php

In place of the page we intended to add to the web shop we posted the following one, inviting anyone who was eager to get on the order list the opportunity to do so by paying a deposit, as long as they are prepared to wait until we can meet the order;

http://www.noswizard.com/product_list.php?id=35

Whilst I can give you a price for each REVO unit, it would be of little use to you for the following reasons;
1) Before ANYONE can potentially benefit from the REVO technology, we have to determine which option is appropriate for their particular application, as some applications are not suitable for a wet system at present and are only suitable for use in an advanced electronic dry system.
2) Some applications may require just a single pair of REVO units, while others may require a pair per cylinder
3) The REVO units are not designed to and can't function correctly as direct replacements for solenoids in a conventional type of nozzle kit and as a consequence they are only supplied as part of a FULL REVO SYSTEM along with the UNIQUE REVO Race Max Extreme controller.

What I can tell you about the price is that a full system is MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE (for most applications), than the closest equivalent pulsed progressive system but I can assure you that the advantages the REVO offers are worth every extra penny.

There are exceptions to the above statement and the best examples are our dry REVO options for motorcycles, which whilst still more expensive, are not that much more expensive than a wet pulsed option.
Although when compared to a single stage kit (fixed or pulsed), a REVO system cost MUCH more, in contrast when for example a V8 Pro Mod car system is compared to say a 3 stage Speedtech kit, there isn't much difference in price and it's probably less than the latest trend in 5 stage kits available in the USA, yet it offers a level of control and accuracy of adjustment that NO OTHER kit can get close to.

I'm sorry but I can't be any more specific than this at this stage for the following reasons;
1) The majority of REVO system will be only available as custom designed and custom made options.
2) There's no point listing the cheaper bike system prices at this stage, because it would only add to the back log of orders we already have, so I don't want to encourage too many orders by doing so at this time.

Basically we were caught by surprise by how quickly the REVO orders came flooding in after we added the info page to the website and as a consequence we are currently trying to improve production techniques, so we can assemble and test the REVO units much more quickly than is currently possible, in order to meet our existing orders and eventually be in a position to send out new orders with 24 hours, as we normally do for all our other products.

I hope everyone who is interested in our REVO systems will bear with us until we get on top of the job and BE ASSURED, the results they deliver are worth waiting for.

ANYONE who has any doubts about that statement might like to try and buy the REVO units Cecil Towner has on his THREE bikes, because I can assure you he's so happy with them that he'd be very unlikely to part with them for any amount of money.

Feel free to contact Cecil on 001.804.340.0800 and I'm SURE Chris Patrick wouldn't part with his whatever you offered him either.

I seem to remember a statement saying that REVO's would only be available to existing customers.

They have been for the past 12 months and existing customer will always get priority order status.

However, it seems that most existing customers are so happy with the relatively 'smooth' results they get from our pulsed systems, that they don't feel the need to upgrade to the REVO but obviously it's a different matter for those using US brand kits and as a consequence we've been FLOODED with enquiries/orders from the USA.

Any existing WON customer who wants to upgrade to a REVO system should contact me quickly, because once Cecil Towner, Dan Wagner and Chris Patrick (along with one or two more American REVO customers who want to remain secret), start producing results this race season (in a few weeks time), I'm expecting the order book to burn up with the speed the new orders will be entered.

BTW, ALL those American customers I listed were using Pulsoids before they upgraded to the REVO system, so I (AS ALWAYS) have been true to my word.

The videos of the operation are pretty amazing - I assume that you have fitted indicators only for the video?

So as a hypothetical question Trev -

Would a Bike revo system be right for a little 1.3 4 pot or would you need to fit a 'bigger' system?

Thats true!
But reading and seeing some test results say that this is the way to go

Some spend alot of money for the existing system and the upgrade to revos ist still alot of money!

I hope that i can catch some old Pulsoids when you have the X10 and REVO in full production to get a DP Setup for my V12


Greetings Thomas

Will tuning be more difficult to accomplish with the REVO than the X10?

Don't know how I missed all the above posts but as I have an update I'll answer them now.

That's an awkward question to deal with as there is no clear cut answer. It certainly would be more difficult IF we were to just sell the REVO's without any support and its certainly been MUCH harder to tune the first ones we've done BUT the more we use and the more flow testing and calculations we carry out, the easier its getting for us and for the customers, because we're accumulating information that can be passed on to future customers.

At some point in the near future we will have enough info from R&D and feed back from use on customers vehicles, to be able to make the tuning a breeze and if that doesn't make it easy enough for some people, we have our closed loop AFR self adjustment to fall back on (which should be 'proven' very soon), which in theory means we should be able to just throw on a REVO system and leave that feature to self adjust and control the mixture.

If all that isn't enough, then the latest feature we looking in to for future addition to the REVO control (self learning mixture adjustment), will certainly make it a throw on system with NO NEED TO TUNE IT AT ALL.

As stated above I have an update to the REVO situation;

We're now supply a growing number REVO systems to customers across the world and slowly but surely they are begining to get their vehicles completed and are getting round to testing the REVO systems.

The most recent installation was Brett's Porsche, which produced the desired result within minutes of being fitted. This was followed by a report from our first Maltese customer to use a REVO system on a bike, who also achieved immediate results that exceeded his wildest expectations and looks set to break a few records in the near future.

These are just a couple of examples of those that have actually got the REVO systems in use and we hope to see many more of those we've already supplied (as well as those we are in the process of supplying), getting their vehicles finished and producing results in the near future.

FYI here are a couple of unusual and interesting applications we've either supplied and/or had enquiries for;

1) A rocket

2) A Top fuel car to control the Nitromethane delivery

3) A hydrogen powered car

4) A jet powered speed boat to control fuel delivery

So there should be some interesting results once these guys get their shit together and start putting the REVO's in to use.

Here's a brief REVO update;

Our quickest Maltese motorcycle customer (Shawn Buttigieg) was racing for the first time using the REVO system recently and he made the following report;

Thanks to your REVOS I have impressed everybody and broke my own record at the 60ft. I did it in 1.29!!!!
I was launched like a dragster!!

The time I did was 8.2 and I did that with a major shifting problem. Three gears did not shift so I did it in 4th gear only!
Also, as soon as the bike hit 10,000 rpm, the NOS went off so I completed it with no NOS.

Rather impressive I'd say.

Once he gets ALL the gears we're confident he be running some seriously impressive 1/4 times to match his impressive 60ft times, then he can start working on improving all his break times.

I can also report that one of our UK car customers (Andy Nichols) has reported IMPRESSIVE dyno results recently and we hope he'll be sending us similarly impressive track results soon.

Cecil Towner (HTP Performance) has had some bad luck over this season (which has prevented him showing what the REVO's can do) but he's confident that he's sorted the problem (gearbox shift failures), that has been the ongoing cause so far and he's hopeful that he'll run some serious numbers at the next meeting.

We also expect to hear some good results from REVO systems being used on Busa's in Land Speed Record attempts over the next few months.

interesting stuff..

if the REVO and software is left to it's own devices, do you have anything 'inline' that can measure the amount of fuel used...along the lines of 'flow meter' like a mini water meter ...i'm sure you know what i mean... that way you could back up results with concrete evidence of fuel used...??

just a thought..

Regards

Chris

That would be a more refined way of doing it but for now measuring flow volume and/or weight through replicated testing procedures, gives us a reasonably accurate method of assessing the fuel and nitrous usage we see during an actual run.